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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth

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one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion

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and shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night vision radio

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am your host renee barnett so glad that

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you could join me tonight because i'm so

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excited about tonight's show you all

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know my favorite subject uh will be the

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big overarching subject area of the

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reynolds chateau mysteries so i'm really

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excited about tonight's guest but before

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i introduce him

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i want to remind everyone out there all

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you

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ren buffs

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that we are having a big meet up in the

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the first week of may

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in the reynolds chateau renla ban area

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and we're going to be planning some

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activities i'm going to be screening my

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film bloodline for its 10-year

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anniversary unbelievable it was uh

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released 10 years ago in may

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so it's it's really quite wild to think

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that it's been that many years

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and i will be there uh my producing

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partner and the director of the film

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bruce burgess will be there and we will

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be taking questions

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after the film and catching all the

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slings and arrows you want to throw at

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but also we'll be explaining uh what

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happens subsequent to the film's

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delivery and what we're up to now

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also uh we're going to be screening uh

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richard stanley's film the other world

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lift vermond

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i'll be putting up information about

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that on my facebook page as well as on a

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facebook page that i've set up called

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renny union

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interested and

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apply to join and i will approve your

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application there

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and also uh just keep an eye on that

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page and on my facebook page and i'll

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let you know any activities that we set

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up we it may end up that we have a day

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or two of speakers i'm just not sure uh

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what's going on this was this is the

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first time i think i've gone actually

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second time i've gone

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that i haven't taken a tour group with

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wonderful idea it would be if we all

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showed up at once all uh people that are

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interested in the subject area so i know

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that there's lots of researchers and

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authors and of course you know there are

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authors in the

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area that live there right now you know

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henry henry lincoln is still in the area

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he lives in wren laban and tim wallace

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murphy is in esperanza so

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hopefully a great exchange of ideas the

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first week of may so let me know if

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and i'll give you all the information

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that i have but this is not a tour i'm

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not charging anything i'm just saying

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hey come on over and let's all get

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together at the same time share ideas

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and who knows maybe we can put together

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missing puzzle pieces which is what i'm

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really counting on my guests tonight

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to do for us now i have to thank

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our mutual friend sandra hamlet uh who

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publisher of radisium it's a journal

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website on basically wren studies that's

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r-h-e-d-e-s-i-u-m dot com so i really

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lurking there in the chat room so she's

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listening to me as i'm going to um

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get uh some information off her website

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and read it to you in just a moment

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right after i introduce my esteemed

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guest who is an american geologist and

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author researcher in paris mr john saul

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thanks so much john for joining us

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tonight i know or this morning for you

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i know it is very very early in paris

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it says 4 35 on my screen here

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in the morning

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oh my goodness well i can't thank you

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enough uh for getting up at this at the

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terrible ungodly hour of 4 30 a.m

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to talk with us about these subjects

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i want to direct everyone while we're

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while they're listening as well to your

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tonebooks2.com

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and check out john's books you can buy

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them right directly off the website as

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some of my friends did this week i know

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and that's what i really want to talk

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about are some of those books and also

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uh we want to get into what john's

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working on now or his latest manuscript

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which will soon be published

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a look into among other things now i

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don't know a lot about it i've only been

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given very sketchy information

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but i'm going to try to see if i can get

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a sneak peek at some of that material

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tonight on this show and i believe it's

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an investigation into

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the renla chateau uh affair with pierre

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philip de sheresi is that

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roughly what's your new manuscript

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certainly much of it yes

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oh good good good we'll save that for a

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little bit later we'll make them wait

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for that

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as i said uh you know i was just talking

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about ronald chateau one of the people

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that i know is coming uh because we've

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been making plans all uh for about the

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last year to meet up there again is

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sandra hamlet from rhodesia and right

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now i'm looking at her website where she

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begins uh talking about sort of the

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story uh behind

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the all the hubbub uh about rentless

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chateau if i could just read just uh a

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little bit uh from the very top of her

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of her page here catholic priest baron

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jay sonja died in 1917 leaving behind

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the secret of his fabulous wealth only

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as housekeeper marie denarno

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knew the secret and she promised to

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reveal it to noel corbu on her deathbed

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she said that it would make him very

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powerful

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sadly she died without divulging the

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secret in 1953.

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speculation was rife after her death

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regarding the source of the priest's

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money was he a common criminal selling

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masses illegally or given the local

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history had he found a colossal

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archaeological treasure perhaps the

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legendary lost visigothic gold

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or had sonia been blackmailing the

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church with some terrible secret the

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evidence that points to the last

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possibility is sonia's confession on his

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deathbed so shocking that the priest who

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heard it allegedly denied him absolution

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a village elder later confirmed that he

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had attended sunday school in the

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village when he was younger he said that

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marie after the death of sonier often

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taught catholicism in the school

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according to the elder

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once after an hour of class when she

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finished she closed the book looked at

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the children and said

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my poor kids if you only knew

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whatever did she mean

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and that's on radiessium.com take a look

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for yourself and see sandy's other

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wonderful material

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everyone's attention to a book that you

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and or compiled in 1985 renly chateau a

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bibliography

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i have a copy of it here and thanks to

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sandy you know just recently i just

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discovered it recently

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and i tell you i've been going through

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it john like crazy

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and

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finding out all sorts of information

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about uh rental chateau and i was

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talking to a friend of mine

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uh who's often been a guest on this show

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and people know gloria amendola she's

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another wren researcher and author

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how kind of refreshing it is to actually

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and i like the fact that you wrote it in

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in 1985

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so that we can kind of go back and take

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a fresh start because there's been a lot

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of you know

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crazy hoaxes and obfuscation uh going on

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since that time

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and it's kind of nice to go back to the

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beginning and see what existed you know

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right around the time right after holy

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blood holy grail came out in 1982

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so how did you get into this how did you

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decide to do that work

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well first of all it started the way

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these days i saw a television program

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henry lincoln's uh

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show on the bbc article and uh i

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missed some of the details at the

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beginning at the end so i wrote a letter

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very simply uh henry lincoln bbc london

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and it got to him and he got back to me

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he told me later on that he only got

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back to two people he had a lot of mail

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one was a uh a young girl who said well

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have you looked at the

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five points it seems to be a star there

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and uh i was the other one because i

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said i was a geologist and

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i was reasonably good at finding things

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out in the field and i didn't really

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understand what he was up to but if you

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want to contact me he could and sure

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enough he did

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mysterious

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and a bit later

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probably the same year we're talking

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about 1974 now

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and it was 75 then the springtime

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there was a dutch group that wanted to

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make another documentary

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and i went down there with them with the

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hope of finding uh limestone caves down

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limestone caves yeah because

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the caves form very readily in limestone

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and in fact there was there were numbers

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of them down there there also abandoned

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mines

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and there were just too many places

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where things could be hidden it wasn't a

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question of finding v cave or glee spot

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there were lots and lots of potential

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places for hiding a treasure

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and by the way there was no telling what

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the treasure might have been it was all

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quite mysterious so

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there were too many treasures and too

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many places where it might have been

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hidden

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um there

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there are some really interesting caves

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caves

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like

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just under reynolds chateau that have

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this uh it looks like a selenite

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or something along the walls are you

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aware of those

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no no no no i got discouraged very early

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on because i could see there were just

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too many places down there

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at the very beginning and even now for

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some people uh

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there are many ideas of what might be

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hidden there of course there might be

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nothing in there

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and too many places where it might be

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hidden and some of them were natural and

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some of them were man-made and talk of

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burial sites

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treasure had been buried with the people

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in question and

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it went on and on and it's the same

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thing with the literature with the uh

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texts about this uh

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i've got that

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1985 book that you mentioned it's uh

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it's got about 50 pages a bit more and

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i'm sorry i didn't count the number of

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interest

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of entries but there must be six or

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eight on each page so there are

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two three four hundred uh

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publications even way back then

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that's right that's what's so amazing

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and um i wanted to ask you if i could

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about some of those individual entries

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that really caught my attention actually

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first

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you did mention the geometry of the area

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which you just mentioned uh

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about henry and

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that the young girl i wonder that was it

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seems to me like

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elizabeth van buren had also identified

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that geometry in the area but i'm not

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sure which what preceded what who

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preceded who

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on that

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who do you say i identified it

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elizabeth van buren

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ah yes yes yes remember her

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i

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and um

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but the uh the other thing that caught

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me in the forward of of the book was uh

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where you talked about um

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you talked about the geometry of the

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area and you said accordingly the region

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was interpreted

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as one of the few terrestrial localities

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where the ancient hermetic formula for

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immortality

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as it is above so shall it be below as

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above so below might apply

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now

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and we hear it apply to rentless chateau

345
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all the time now

346
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i don't

347
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i also hear stories about

348
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immortality about

349
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uh raising the dead and and and other

350
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things like that that apply to to rental

351
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chateau but i never realized that as

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above so below

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it needs to go back a a very long time

354
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you get things like that uh worldwide uh

355
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as above so below

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uh the cherisee who was uh

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sort of a uh

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sidekick or associate of

359
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pierre plantars and considering more

360
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intelligent and active than plantar

361
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sometimes

362
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said

363
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i wouldn't be surprised if we were

364
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dealing with the big question of origins

365
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and i think that's right

366
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after all a lot of these things are

367
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that come up uh linked to the new

368
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testament and to the old testament

369
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and i think it goes back even earlier

370
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than that i thinking that

371
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the as above so below

372
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goes back to the ancient mesopotamians

373
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so we're dealing with big questions here

374
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we're not just dealing with a

375
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freaky little subject that nobody

376
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understands

377
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it

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necessarily a christian religion just

379
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because the

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key person was a catholic priest

381
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that's right that's right we don't know

382
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what it was he found or what he became

383
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aware of or or you know what his

384
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thinking was uh

385
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but

386
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the

387
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:49,440
idea of this immortality and you know

388
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,560
the idea of origins that uh blew my mind

389
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,000
when you just said that because that's

390
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something that i've been looking into in

391
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,519
terms of

392
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of that region and

393
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:01,440
trying to get some understanding of that

394
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,640
but that was so interesting there now

395
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:07,039
if i could uh bring up

396
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another uh entry about uh that i read i

397
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:16,959
think it's on page 39 about um

398
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something about renla ban

399
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:21,839
uh it was an entry

400
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and the name of the author is rabelais

401
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,959
if i'm pronouncing that correctly

402
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,960
francoise

403
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:30,880
gargantua

404
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:34,240
pantagro and it says

405
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,480
it mentions uh baths at limon's which uh

406
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:40,880
it's in parentheses lemue

407
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,679
but

408
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uh

409
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:45,360
in quotes it says rabelais sojourned for

410
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:48,880
a while at renlebann his book five gives

411
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,640
an exact description of a certain spot

412
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which to this day

413
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,240
is illuminated by an ever burning light

414
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:02,080
that's a citation

415
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:03,600
but uh

416
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,679
frankly i don't know what it refers to

417
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,039
and

418
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:09,039
the matter is such that there are many

419
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,640
things here where people are speaking

420
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:12,960
about something and i've read their

421
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:15,679
texts robert is exceedingly well known

422
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,640
here

423
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and uh should be known in english too

424
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and uh well he he wrote that and

425
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:26,559
we have to make what we can of it

426
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:27,520
but

427
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,120
i don't know of anyone who's seen that

428
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:30,880
light

429
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,200
i i don't either but someone

430
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:35,919
did say that they uh had heard of it and

431
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,760
and thought it was from another source

432
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:39,520
so that'll be interesting to

433
00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:44,640
to to follow up on that i wonder if that

434
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,039
could possibly be true and if it is you

435
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,960
know what kind of a light phenomena that

436
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,039
could be

437
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,679
uh no i don't have any information on

438
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:54,559
that

439
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,840
a group here in the paris area fought to

440
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:02,320
the north of uh venezuela

441
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,760
that tries to decipher the uh

442
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,160
uh the mythology call it french

443
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:10,480
mythology if you want

444
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:13,120
in the writings of rabli there's an

445
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,400
awful lot of stuff in his writings

446
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,640
this may mean something very

447
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,559
significant but i'd

448
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,640
think that it once again

449
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:23,840
it's not that we don't have enough

450
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:27,039
information it's that we've got too much

451
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:28,320
that's it

452
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,120
i believe that it's there's so much to

453
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,799
sift through and it seems like once you

454
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,640
pick up a thread and you think you're

455
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,480
getting somewhere then it goes off in

456
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,039
another direction but and then and then

457
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,240
everything seems to connect up so it uh

458
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,160
begins to make you a little bit crazy

459
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,640
i've known uh a few people that it's

460
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:49,200
made just a little bit crazy and some a

461
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,880
lot crazy living out in the hills

462
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:55,200
intense

463
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,280
yes there are some odd ones in france

464
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:59,600
here too really hooked by the subject

465
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,559
yes

466
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,880
oh absolutely absolutely well it's

467
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:04,799
captivating i've sort of been hooked on

468
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:07,919
it myself since uh holy blood holy grail

469
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,200
was written and published in 1982

470
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,720
and um

471
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,960
just kind of got hold of me

472
00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:17,039
and as it has so many

473
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:20,840
uh and this was all way way way

474
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,679
pre-defensive code so many people have

475
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,919
become aware of this region just in the

476
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:27,679
last 10 years

477
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,000
because of dan brown and his fictional

478
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,799
work the da vinci code

479
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,360
which of course is you know there's some

480
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,919
there's a character based on the authors

481
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,400
of uh holy blood holy grail

482
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:42,880
uh the lee teebing character

483
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,000
uh lee after richard lee teebing is an

484
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:48,400
anagram of agent and the character

485
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,440
himself is an uh an older man with white

486
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,760
hair that walks with a cane

487
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:56,000
and that supposedly is henry

488
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,280
so uh

489
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,760
he gave a tip of his hat to the three

490
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,200
authors of course two of the authors

491
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,480
later sued him

492
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,559
uh so i i don't know how happy he was

493
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,520
with them but henry was not one of them

494
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,480
but i noticed that you um

495
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,640
you thank uh

496
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,360
liam agent in the book now did you spend

497
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,710
yeah lee uh but richard lee and uh

498
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,440
michael baigen i noticed you thank them

499
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,559
uh

500
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,240
did you do a lot of work with them in

501
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,039
the in the region or

502
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,320
uh i had uh occasion to go to london

503
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,880
several times from uh from france in

504
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,640
those days and uh

505
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,880
i used to spend the evenings anytime i

506
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,480
was there with uh

507
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,919
at uh

508
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,520
at richard's place

509
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:46,559
uh incidentally both of those fellows

510
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,799
have died now unfortunately yeah

511
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,440
i certainly did plenty of research i fed

512
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,440
them with whatever information i had

513
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,080
while i was putting together this this

514
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,870
all of us were convinced that there was

515
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,280
something substantial going on

516
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,320
but

517
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,400
people had different ideas when they

518
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,880
started to write they really were not

519
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,559
quite sure where they were going they

520
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,400
didn't have a uh

521
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,600
uh

522
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,559
a conclusion or a fundamental theory

523
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,640
they just said it's leading somewhere

524
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,799
and we can even end with saying there's

525
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:24,960
a mystery or we can end with saying what

526
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,679
we think

527
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,799
absolutely now that um i got i had a

528
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,039
chance i actually richard lee was the

529
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,039
only author that i didn't

530
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:37,120
have an opportunity to get to know

531
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,240
um

532
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,159
but i did spend some time working with

533
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,320
michael baigen for about a year

534
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,400
and he came to the united states and

535
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:46,799
spent about six months over here in la

536
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,000
uh working with me and with my uh

537
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:52,240
producing partner bruce burgess

538
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,360
and um then later uh i got a chance or

539
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,640
actually it was kind of during around

540
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,520
the same time i met henry and

541
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,520
you know of course i go to the region so

542
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,919
much so i continue to see henry to this

543
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,720
day

544
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,799
so it's been uh

545
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,440
really edifying to know both of them i'm

546
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,120
so sorry i didn't get to meet richard

547
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,880
lee

548
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,960
but

549
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,240
the

550
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,559
i don't want to get too far into

551
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,760
something else so i'm going to bring up

552
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,120
something um

553
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,799
that won't take too long i guess because

554
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,080
we're going to be taking a break here in

555
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,080
just a few minutes but there was

556
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,919
something um

557
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,159
that i was uh

558
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,200
i noticed on uh page 42

559
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,640
uh something by saint louis and uh it

560
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,000
was uh le mandelein uh i'll just state

561
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,679
in english um

562
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,600
madeleine of the desert

563
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,480
uh

564
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,279
ins of saint baum in provence is the

565
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,279
name of the um

566
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,720
of the writing

567
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,559
i guess it's a book

568
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,760
and

569
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,679
something uh called

570
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:59,200
the eliad

571
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,000
and

572
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:02,880
it says your note i guess is these

573
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,840
outrageous untranslatable book length

574
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:07,039
poems

575
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,279
full of obscure puns anagrams and other

576
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,600
wordplays carry a number of unorthodox

577
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,000
hidden method messages these include the

578
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,640
suggestion of a special relationship

579
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:21,520
between jesus and mary magdalene and the

580
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,320
idea that french royalty is descended

581
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,480
from the children of mary magdalene and

582
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,080
i guess we're talking about

583
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,840
the so-called merivincian

584
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,880
bloodline uh

585
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,039
that people refer to today as being the

586
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,120
bloodline of jesus and mary magdalene

587
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:40,880
but outrageous untranslatable

588
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,720
book links poems untranslatable because

589
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,360
they're full of too many uh

590
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,360
obscure puns and things that it they

591
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:50,480
just wouldn't

592
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,720
translate to english

593
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,120
that's correct and uh in fact french

594
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,200
readers uh native french readers have a

595
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,840
lot of trouble with it it's uh it's very

596
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,279
nicely written

597
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,159
and there are little things uh there are

598
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,799
that are straightforward uh

599
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,000
uh

600
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,400
mary is walking in a valley

601
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,640
and she's uh

602
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,200
feeling sorry for herself and she's

603
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,559
saying uh

604
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:18,559
how will uh

605
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,480
how will posterity remember poor mary

606
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,960
and then there's an echo

607
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,240
and the echo uses her word for mary it

608
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,840
says married

609
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,400
as in married as though she had been

610
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,880
married oh

611
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:35,919
yeah

612
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:39,440
another time he talks about his uh

613
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:43,120
his muse who is mary magdalene

614
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,880
and then he gets into

615
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,240
grammar

616
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,200
and then he talks about the uses the

617
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,760
grammatical term conjugates

618
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,240
and you can read conjugates any way you

619
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,600
want there

620
00:26:05,909 --> 00:25:58,799
and then

621
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,919
lesson turns out to be theological

622
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:06,799
so

623
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,990
mary had

624
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,080
been married

625
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,120
and that her marriage is a

626
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,120
has a theological

627
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,320
sense to it but jesus doesn't come in

628
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,880
it's it's uh mary's marriage that he's

629
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,400
talking about

630
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,279
then later on uh he doesn't mention the

631
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:33,039
mayor of engines as best i know but

632
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,480
they're anagrams sometimes you have to

633
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,799
read down the edge of the page too

634
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,200
there are anagrams in there

635
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,400
and he speaks about the kings of france

636
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,720
but he does not specifically mention the

637
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:47,520
mayor of indians well since other people

638
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,159
are saying that one bloodline of kings

639
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,679
leads into another uh you can understand

640
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,200
it that way

641
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,080
that's right that's right

642
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,159
and went through several printings at

643
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,960
different times but curiously the very

644
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,200
first edition the first printings sat

645
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,919
forever before somebody uh clicked and

646
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:11,520
understood what what he was up to

647
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,400
wow

648
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:14,159
isn't that something and that was

649
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,559
originally written or published in 1668

650
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,880
yes that's right he was he was a priest

651
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,880
and uh he

652
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,559
i've collected every bit of uh

653
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,760
literature i could on him uh

654
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,760
and it wouldn't be in the renaissance

655
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,720
bibliography because uh

656
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,880
uh it just isn't there's no mention of

657
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,720
the chateau in it uh

658
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,720
the other things they were about him

659
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,000
and uh

660
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,720
he seems to have met with some sort of

661
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,039
unfortunate fate or another one he goes

662
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,559
to a place that's name is

663
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,480
coded or not clear

664
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,360
and then he seems to disappear and a few

665
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,159
people talk about his sad fate but it's

666
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:58,159
not clear what happened

667
00:28:06,389 --> 00:27:59,200
wow

668
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,870
well it's another threat more than

669
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,360
another mystery yes yeah true oh i

670
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,039
believe yeah

671
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:14,799
another threat to the mystery

672
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,919
all right well we're going to take a

673
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,559
quick break and when we come back more

674
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,720
with john psalm or with renly chateau

675
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,600
and

676
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,159
lots of other stuff so stay with us

677
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,350
welcome back to night vision i'm your

678
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,880
host renee barnett if you're just

679
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,200
joining us we're talking tonight with

680
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,880
geologist author john saul we've been

681
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,520
discussing the remnant chateau mystery

682
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:42,640
and his book that was actually published

683
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,399
in 1985 which is a bibliography renle

684
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,080
chateau a bibliography and it's it's a

685
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,320
wonderful it's a must-have for any wren

686
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,240
researcher i'm telling you

687
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:56,480
right now and you can get it if you go

688
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,029
online you can that's john's uh website

689
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,120
and you can see that book and his other

690
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,320
books which we're going to be talking

691
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,679
about too uh in just a moment

692
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,320
but well john the questions have started

693
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,840
to come in uh

694
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,640
from the chat in other areas

695
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:19,360
and i'm going to try to ask you one that

696
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,200
sandy hamlet has has uh put to you

697
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,720
and if i don't slaughter the name uh she

698
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,760
says renee ask john if he knows where is

699
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,120
it beignet

700
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,760
got the info about the tomb of jesus in

701
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,720
the renly chateau area

702
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,360
sorry i'm not sure what uh the name is

703
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,360
that the the person you're talking about

704
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:43,840
there's i know sandy hi sandy the

705
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,080
spelling is b-e-g n-a-t b-e-g-n-e-t

706
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,960
is it been yet or

707
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,039
what's the first letter there

708
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
b as in boy

709
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:56,799
benny

710
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,070
no i don't think uh

711
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,600
i think that's a dead end i don't

712
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,559
recognize that huh okay well sandy's in

713
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,399
big trouble

714
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:12,880
okay well now it's probably something

715
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,520
so maybe she'll maybe as we go forward

716
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,120
maybe she'll give me a little bit more

717
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320
information

718
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,480
and i'll bring it up later a little bit

719
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,240
in the show if uh if she has some

720
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,240
clarification for us on that

721
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,360
um well court uh

722
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,000
asked me he sent this to me earlier and

723
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:32,240
he said ask your guest if he sees any

724
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,520
connection

725
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,720
between plantar and jesures

726
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,039
i found recently

727
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,760
a man referred to as plantar of jesus

728
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:43,279
source

729
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,240
that is

730
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,399
directly related to the deleteors and

731
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,440
other powerful families

732
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,399
uh yes that's uh that's uh pierre planta

733
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,080
all over again

734
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,240
uh

735
00:31:02,830 --> 00:30:59,120
let me go into some detail of what i i

736
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:02,840
think was a plant as a sauce and

737
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,000
uh it explains part of the reason why

738
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:08,960
everything's so confusing

739
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,480
planta started off life as a

740
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:17,039
young man at the beginning of world war

741
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,760
ii

742
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,159
he was definitely some sort of

743
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:23,760
collaborator in favor of the nazis

744
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,039
and he had already written the french

745
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,640
president

746
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:30,399
or the equivalent of the prime minister

747
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:31,200
then

748
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:35,440
uh say offering help to fight

749
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,600
this masonic uh plot he was a

750
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,840
anti-amazing anti-freemason

751
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,000
and when the war came one of the

752
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
mysteries of world war ii the nazis paid

753
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,080
a fellow terrible man named henry

754
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:56,789
what a match-up and what a t mike metro

755
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,919
pcs in the iphone sc for zero dollars on

756
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,240
a network that covers 99 of people in

757
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,360
the u.s oh impressive

758
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,679
play with the best switch to metro pcs

759
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:09,600
and an unlimited lte plan and get a 32

760
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,799
gig iphone sc for zero dollars metro pcs

761
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:14,000
coverage is not available in some areas

762
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,360
plus sales tax claim based on talking

763
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,640
text not valid for active numbers

764
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,840
currently on the t-mobile network are

765
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,600
active on metropcs in the past 90 days

766
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,799
c-store for details in terms of

767
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,720
conditions

768
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,600
they

769
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:25,039
paid him

770
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,159
uh

771
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:27,600
20

772
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,159
marks or franks i don't know

773
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:33,919
to a month to collect to confiscate all

774
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,679
sorts of uh masonic documents throughout

775
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,120
france

776
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,159
and he more or less filled up a room

777
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,679
with a building perhaps with confiscated

778
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,960
documents

779
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:49,200
but he couldn't get people to help him

780
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,720
sort them through

781
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,640
because if you said that you are

782
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:54,720
familiar with the

783
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,519
masonic information you became a suspect

784
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,360
and you were likely to be arrested about

785
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,320
6 000 masons were arrested and

786
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,559
questioned during uh during the war in

787
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:05,919
france

788
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,919
and uh pronto was an exception he was

789
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,159
inoculated if you wish because he had a

790
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,320
copy of his letter

791
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,840
saying that the wall was part of a

792
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,519
masonic plot

793
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,240
and plantar lived a

794
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,399
five to ten minute walk not no not ten

795
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,880
minutes less than that away from this

796
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,679
building where the confiscated documents

797
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,720
have been

798
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,279
and i am

799
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,760
i am quite convinced

800
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,320
that plantar helped themselves to some

801
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,399
of the documents and that those

802
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,519
documents mentioned when the chateau

803
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:44,320
and they also mentioned giza

804
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,360
and he arranged for a uh

805
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,600
archaeological dig a proper dig i

806
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,360
believe i'm not sure

807
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,240
but somebody went digging in jesus

808
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,279
and they came up with nothing at all

809
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,000
and uh after coming up with nothing in

810
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,799
jesus the attention switched to

811
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,960
when the chateau

812
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,440
and men lay down

813
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,359
wow

814
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,679
so we don't know what i think that's the

815
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,359
ultimate source

816
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,800
of uh

817
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,200
of much of what we're aware of the

818
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,599
documents that were stolen

819
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:21,040
and

820
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,079
afterwards

821
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,639
and i don't mind uh

822
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,119
labeling uh plonta as somebody who would

823
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,560
steal things

824
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,240
after all they've been in jail three

825
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,760
different times for three different

826
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,399
defenses

827
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,520
hmm

828
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,760
well that's true

829
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:43,119
and

830
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,839
now

831
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:46,399
what what is your opinion of plantar

832
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,440
after

833
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,839
having researched him

834
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,320
so thoroughly

835
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,520
well

836
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,240
i think he

837
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,280
learned quite a lot as time went by

838
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,800
that he used his uh friend philippe the

839
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,280
the cherizze as a crutch

840
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,560
the cherisee was obviously a very bright

841
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,680
individual

842
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,440
he uh

843
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,960
he showed up on

844
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,720
television and we're talking about black

845
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,400
and white television this is a while

846
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,599
back he showed up on television

847
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:22,000
he was very quick on the uptake

848
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:23,280
and

849
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:26,320
he also pun but

850
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,920
he saw a lot of these documents before

851
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,000
plantar decided what it was going to

852
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,480
show and what it wasn't going to show

853
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,470
came to the conclusion that we're

854
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,160
dealing with something serious and that

855
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,920
we're dealing with this question of

856
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,680
origins

857
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,839
and i believe that's

858
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,839
that's what's going on here i think that

859
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,599
we're talking about a bloodline that

860
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:52,560
goes way way way back uh

861
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:55,760
most people are familiar with the

862
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,800
story of biblical bloodlines i certainly

863
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,320
think that's uh

864
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,160
that's involved and i think it may go

865
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,720
back even earlier to mesopotamian times

866
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,680
to the

867
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,359
the whole notion of

868
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:09,359
sacred kings

869
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,160
uh you know putting out the red carpet

870
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:14,400
for the king and uh

871
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,920
and uh treating him as if he was uh

872
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,839
sacred because he was considered to be

873
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,160
sacred and that comes right down through

874
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,359
the uh

875
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:24,800
the

876
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,870
well

877
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:36,720
speaking of you know these these

878
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,839
bloodlines and origins

879
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,640
um

880
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,000
you you hear

881
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,240
in in in the patriarchs and you know

882
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,079
biblical times

883
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,040
we've heard stories of of of a possible

884
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,079
you know necropolis in the area

885
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,480
one of the legends is you know the the

886
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:57,200
the bodies of the patriarchs were were

887
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:58,400
brought there

888
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:59,280
um

889
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:00,160
has

890
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,960
brought anything up about

891
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,800
some sort of a necropolis and a

892
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,079
connection with the with the patriarchs

893
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,599
no no no the references i have and i

894
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:15,599
think they're conversations i had with

895
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,800
people not not published i can't

896
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,560
i can't remember anything published

897
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,560
published as i published as a reference

898
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,920
to a uh

899
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,560
necropolis that's for sure but the

900
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,520
people i spoke to uh

901
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,599
and this is not me speaking this is a

902
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,040
citation

903
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:35,760
uh we're thinking that it would be the

904
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,960
the children of mary magdalene

905
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,920
yes

906
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,400
well that makes sense with the other uh

907
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:44,240
stories in the area

908
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,280
but

909
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,839
going back to sandy's question

910
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,560
it was a typo it was it was michael

911
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,599
baygent that she was yes okay so what

912
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,119
was the question about michael then

913
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,000
let's uh ask john if he knows where

914
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:00,480
michael baigen got the information about

915
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,440
the tomb of jesus in the rlc area

916
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,109
uh

917
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:15,270
he would have mentioned that to me but

918
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:19,760
i can't recall uh

919
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,560
said about that uh he spoke about the

920
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:27,280
tomb of jesus definitely i had a

921
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,640
tendency to uh disagree there's nothing

922
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:33,440
certainly in in the new testament that

923
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,310
i can see

924
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,560
i don't recall i don't recall his sauce

925
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,320
on that maybe michael's it maybe it's

926
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,240
michael's

927
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,160
own idea there

928
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,480
as i said the poor man is no longer some

929
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,400
kind of a conclusion you know that he

930
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,680
came to

931
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,040
based on

932
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:56,960
you know other other pointers or

933
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,839
something like that

934
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,800
the sherry zay spoke about the

935
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,760
the arrival of mary magdalene

936
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:07,520
in the area

937
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:08,400
but

938
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,270
the timing was sloppy

939
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,640
[Applause]

940
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,200
he would have been referring to

941
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,359
mary magdalene taking care of her

942
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,839
children but the children would have

943
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,670
past the age of 30.

944
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,920
the the the chronology the timing the

945
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,480
dates didn't work out because uh

946
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,520
the confounding thing is that uh mary

947
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,839
magdalene is supposed to live in an area

948
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,520
there at sun boom

949
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,440
which you mentioned early on

950
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:41,200
right she was supposed to have lived

951
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,720
there for 30 years and this

952
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,240
it just doesn't work out the number of

953
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,000
years though it don't work out saint

954
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,720
baum you mentioned that in the title of

955
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,280
the poem of pierre de san lorie which is

956
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,760
that's right so complex yeah

957
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,680
translatable ones yeah

958
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,200
yeah

959
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,040
now um

960
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,599
so yeah you do hear the stories about

961
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,160
you know her coming to shore at saint

962
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,200
paul

963
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,800
and um

964
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,520
but you also hear a lot of stories in

965
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,440
the region and i've talked to just

966
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,119
locals you know

967
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,440
who say oh well of course she was here

968
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,040
and so were the children and they played

969
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,040
in the meadow and

970
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,520
you know it's just taken for granted by

971
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,720
some people

972
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:29,119
uh in that area that mary magdalene was

973
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,400
living there

974
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,400
so

975
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,839
have you uncovered any evidence of that

976
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,040
outside of just legend

977
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,200
well uh sorry we we both got something

978
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:43,040
wrong for a moment there she comes the

979
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,079
show

980
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,319
at century de la mer

981
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,000
uh

982
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,280
that's

983
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,480
sent in plural saints plural saints

984
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,040
of the sea is the alarm you're

985
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,480
absolutely right

986
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:59,040
yeah and then she goes inland to uh

987
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:00,240
saint bone

988
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:01,040
uh

989
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,200
we just all sort of

990
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,920
know here in france but the truth of the

991
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,520
matter is uh

992
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,760
is elusive i mean

993
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,240
did george washington throw the silver

994
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,880
dollar across the river or didn't he

995
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,560
lots of people have heard the story but

996
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,560
that doesn't make it either more true or

997
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,400
less true

998
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:28,720
i'm going to say no

999
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,470
no but uh yeah i'm not quite sure was it

1000
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,560
across the potomac i'm not sure how wide

1001
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,119
that river is but maybe he was at a very

1002
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,960
very narrow park but i'm going to say

1003
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:45,200
probably not

1004
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:45,920
but

1005
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,839
to france

1006
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,760
is that something provable is that

1007
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:54,160
something that is accepted

1008
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,960
uh

1009
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,119
now i mean because i remember when i

1010
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,800
first started getting into this and

1011
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,800
doing programs about

1012
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,640
uh this story

1013
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,560
and people would say

1014
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,240
oh they couldn't have come to france how

1015
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,920
could they get there and i'm saying you

1016
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,000
know it's really not that

1017
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,800
far it's in people did it all the time

1018
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,640
you know and when they think about you

1019
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,720
know uh

1020
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,400
back then you know we didn't hear about

1021
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:20,160
france and the bible but we heard about

1022
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,119
gaul

1023
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,280
and which is that area

1024
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:25,920
so they could have easily uh come across

1025
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,200
there but what is the real evidence do

1026
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,040
you know

1027
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,280
i think it's the same problem you have

1028
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,040
uh with the

1029
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,440
with the readers of the bible some

1030
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,520
people take it literally and they've got

1031
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,000
no doubts and other people

1032
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,599
say gosh

1033
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119
it could be true

1034
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,960
and you've got people who say it's just

1035
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,880
a story

1036
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,680
i

1037
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,200
than

1038
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,119
overall questions of religion where

1039
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,560
people have different views

1040
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,319
true maybe so

1041
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,240
i mean some things can be sort of

1042
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:03,680
historically

1043
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,520
proven and counted on you know but uh

1044
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,079
these stories are also elusive

1045
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,200
it's very difficult to sort of pinpoint

1046
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,240
but it would be nice to know um

1047
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,359
you know i doubt very seriously if she

1048
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,160
could have spent 30 years in um

1049
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,880
in the st palm area and then

1050
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,480
spent any time at all

1051
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,400
in um southwest france in the languedoc

1052
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,599
region

1053
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,280
it would seem like like you said the

1054
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,319
timing would be all skewed

1055
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,760
now

1056
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,599
i wanted to ask another thing from the

1057
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,040
cherisee

1058
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,160
he he ties the departure

1059
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,079
from uh

1060
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,520
from the holy land as uh

1061
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,520
the year 70.

1062
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,720
and

1063
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:54,640
that's what gets the timing all wrong

1064
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,440
now

1065
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:57,359
if

1066
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,240
whatever documents uh

1067
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,160
plantar had obtained

1068
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:06,480
if the sherry's if the number the year

1069
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,309
imagination or is his general idea

1070
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,400
rather than what's in the the documents

1071
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,079
that plantar saw

1072
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,760
then maybe the whole thing would it

1073
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,200
would fit but

1074
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,200
we're given one date which is the year

1075
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:25,280
70 and that's what throws all the

1076
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,520
chronology out the cherries they got it

1077
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,480
wrong

1078
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,880
then maybe all of this does make sense

1079
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,000
hmm

1080
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,400
that that that could be

1081
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,960
now you know if it's true that you know

1082
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,359
philip philippe de chase

1083
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,599
was really kind of the brains of the

1084
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,880
outfit

1085
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,520
why is it that you know pierre plantar

1086
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,040
is the one that's always out front you

1087
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
know he's always you know we see him

1088
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,280
listed as you know grand master of the

1089
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,680
priory of zion uh

1090
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,079
is it because he is

1091
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,960
in the so-called bloodline

1092
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:01,040
well he's clearly not in the bloodline

1093
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,200
de cherise had no doubts about that uh

1094
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,040
plantar

1095
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:10,800
made himself a candidate for uh

1096
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:14,160
descendants of jesus or king of france

1097
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,200
or

1098
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,200
i don't know what he he lived the

1099
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,800
fantasy world

1100
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,440
uh the sherry zay had

1101
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,280
in a way you could say he had his feet

1102
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:24,560
on the ground

1103
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,160
but he was a joker he uh

1104
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,079
he didn't care if he had the facts right

1105
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,680
or wrong but he was interested in

1106
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,200
learning the facts and then he'd tell

1107
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:34,720
you what he felt like telling you on

1108
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,030
but

1109
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,720
he was serious what was the purpose

1110
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:48,870
flontar's purpose was in

1111
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,240
the reign of uh fantasy or

1112
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,319
he thought he'd become king of france or

1113
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,920
should become king of france and uh

1114
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:59,280
perhaps he thought that the

1115
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,400
justification

1116
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,119
was that he was descended from jesus and

1117
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:04,800
mary magdalene

1118
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,800
or perhaps because he was descended from

1119
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,200
the kings themselves and he produced

1120
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,040
these very long complicated genealogies

1121
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,800
which he could not have done on his own

1122
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,800
he just wasn't up to it

1123
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,359
and so he got that

1124
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,599
either from the documents i referred to

1125
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,640
the so-called masonic horde

1126
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,280
or uh

1127
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,839
from some other source but he he was

1128
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,760
given a bunch of documents and then he

1129
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,000
reworked the genealogies

1130
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,000
now so he wrote himself into the

1131
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:39,760
bloodline

1132
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,280
yes yes yes yes absolutely

1133
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,599
that was a lifetime project for him

1134
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,880
yes

1135
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,030
but then you have to look at the

1136
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,200
genealogies and you learn an awful lot

1137
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,119
of things from the footnotes there and

1138
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:57,440
little references he has

1139
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,560
uh there'll be a little reference saying

1140
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,280
we have to correct this such and such

1141
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,160
was not the nephew of so and so he was

1142
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,270
the uh

1143
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,040
what's uh i can't think of the term now

1144
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,760
but their nephew's son or a nephew once

1145
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,680
were moved one generation further down

1146
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,680
the line the great nephew

1147
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,280
and uh

1148
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,760
he puts detail in detail and detail

1149
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,920
there but

1150
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,160
gerard de said who wrote about this in a

1151
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,280
in french at considerable length and who

1152
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,280
knew plonked out very well pontal was

1153
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:34,880
almost the co-author

1154
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:37,839
it said all it takes is to fiddle one

1155
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,800
line on a genealogy and everything that

1156
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,359
follows is wrong

1157
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,760
yeah exactly

1158
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,599
that is so true

1159
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,520
that it's so true my family's been

1160
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,839
working on their genealogy and it's

1161
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,160
it's not easy it's difficult and if you

1162
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,079
get off on one thing then

1163
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,319
you know everything after that or before

1164
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,119
that rather is is is wrong

1165
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
yeah it's just a break and you've got

1166
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,040
two documents instead of one one of them

1167
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,319
may be valid and the other one

1168
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,160
definitely isn't yeah

1169
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,160
yep yep

1170
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,630
do you think that uh plantar had

1171
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,839
anything to do with the the planting of

1172
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:21,040
uh the dossier secret

1173
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,920
in the

1174
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,720
attack

1175
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,760
oh yes that's his work uh

1176
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,680
i don't know if you've seen a copy of it

1177
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,400
or just references to it but if you see

1178
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,880
the copy yes i have it

1179
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,680
it's very neatly put down on paper

1180
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,680
and the planta

1181
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,240
had been trained as a draftsman i don't

1182
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,000
think it was his original training i

1183
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,079
think it came later on after well after

1184
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:47,040
the war he became a draftsman

1185
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,160
and

1186
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,079
that's really one of the ways that you

1187
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:53,200
can identify his documents by

1188
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,720
their the neatness of the the original

1189
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,119
document and then little scribbles his

1190
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,520
handwriting wasn't that good he used a

1191
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,839
lettering guide and then scribbles in

1192
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:05,920
the margins where he added other things

1193
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:12,390
that's true that's true there are some

1194
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,839
little and i've seen

1195
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,400
um

1196
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,240
you know some different markings on some

1197
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,240
different uh

1198
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,319
different copies of it so i think some

1199
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,000
people have been adding their own little

1200
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,119
marks but um i believe i have a copy of

1201
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,280
the of the original

1202
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,319
that just as uh whoever the author's

1203
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,040
markings were now was that the was that

1204
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,160
ladasia secretary were that that were

1205
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:39,359
supposedly

1206
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:43,520
uh had the name of henry lobono

1207
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,670
they are

1208
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,920
yeah uh

1209
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,800
there's a link to the church of central

1210
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,839
peace

1211
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:57,119
in

1212
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:02,160
it's named after somebody it's a real

1213
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,119
person

1214
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,319
but uh lobno is the name of the street

1215
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,000
that goes by the church that's how he

1216
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:10,000
got the name that's all there is there

1217
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,359
you don't have to worry about loving

1218
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,720
them

1219
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,720
don't have to try to track him down

1220
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,480
no no

1221
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,520
now

1222
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,000
did you ever meet uh plantar or or

1223
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,520
destroy

1224
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,359
no i never met either one of them i

1225
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,920
stayed away from plantar and i tried to

1226
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:28,000
contact the cherisee but i wasn't

1227
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,200
successful

1228
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,800
i see

1229
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,520
and did they remain uh

1230
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,440
friends to the end

1231
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:38,559
no no no it broke down near the end

1232
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,040
uh there were supposed meetings and i

1233
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,880
believe that these meetings never took

1234
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,480
place they were just

1235
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,440
plantar writing the account of a meeting

1236
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,599
and the cherisee was upset that he

1237
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,680
wasn't invited to them but of course

1238
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:55,440
they wouldn't have been invited if there

1239
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,820
was no meeting anyhow

1240
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,280
[Laughter]

1241
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,920
i guess that's true i wondered whether

1242
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,520
or not in the end

1243
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,079
you know there was any resentment by to

1244
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,200
share say about uh plantar sort of

1245
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,599
getting all the attention

1246
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,680
or if at the time maybe that wasn't the

1247
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,119
case maybe that's only been in

1248
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,400
subsequent

1249
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,480
decades that it's sort of become you

1250
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,319
know p everyone knows the name pierre

1251
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,040
plantar fewer people know who philippe

1252
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,040
de cherise was

1253
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,440
i think that what happened is that the

1254
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,599
sherry say felt that he was being played

1255
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,549
yeah oh so do you think that he was

1256
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,800
actually believing

1257
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,839
what plantar was was saying or or giving

1258
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,160
him uh

1259
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,480
at first and then later became sort of

1260
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,559
disenchanted

1261
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,880
early on uh the shares they certainly

1262
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,559
thought there was something going on in

1263
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,319
reno chateau we went down there with

1264
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:56,640
plantar they were both young men

1265
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,559
uh that would have been the 1950s

1266
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,720
though i believe plantai had actually or

1267
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,480
maybe early 60s

1268
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,559
i believe plantar had actually been

1269
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,200
there in 1949

1270
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,400
because if they had helped himself to

1271
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,720
these documents and i'm quite sure that

1272
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,839
he had

1273
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:18,000
uh

1274
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,800
as far back as 1942 during the war but

1275
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,240
people were not going on little

1276
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,960
excursions during the war

1277
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,640
hmm

1278
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,640
and of course he had no money he never

1279
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:36,319
had uh much money

1280
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:39,440
so uh traveling and uh recording

1281
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,200
apparatus and things of that sort uh

1282
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,079
uh were not readily available to them

1283
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,440
the sherry zay's family

1284
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,880
was wealthy

1285
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,280
the cherisee himself was not for a

1286
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,040
variety of reasons there were family

1287
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,559
problems there

1288
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,480
and

1289
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,559
sometimes he was in the funds also he

1290
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,440
worked for a living he was an actor yes

1291
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:05,119
uh

1292
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:14,400
they're about

1293
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,710
and um

1294
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,480
a big question

1295
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,559
just before we go to break

1296
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,400
do you believe

1297
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:28,880
there is an organization

1298
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,150
i believe that pio planta

1299
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:38,960
founded such an organization

1300
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,079
and did not attract anyone of great

1301
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,359
interest or importance

1302
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:47,359
he founded a number of

1303
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,480
earlier

1304
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,520
groups

1305
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,400
and

1306
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,520
one of them for which he claimed 3 200

1307
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,359
members or something like that actually

1308
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,119
had four members

1309
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:59,680
and the uh the actually and the four

1310
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,240
members was because

1311
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,920
what was brought to the attention of the

1312
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:05,839
police and they investigated it they

1313
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,040
said there were four members

1314
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:11,200
there may have been such an organization

1315
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,640
but i don't think it had the scope that

1316
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,640
anyone has in mind

1317
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,520
and and the biggest the biggest question

1318
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,640
you don't think that it predated

1319
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,680
pierre plantar

1320
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,040
no but

1321
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,800
in the documents that he had access to

1322
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,440
there were certainly other

1323
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,839
organizations going way back

1324
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:38,960
either to the time of the crusades or to

1325
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,400
the early 19th century or both that had

1326
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:43,839
the word uh

1327
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,349
plantar was a town called anamas which

1328
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,000
is right on the border with switzerland

1329
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,680
for a while that's where he got his

1330
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,640
training and his work as a draftsman

1331
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,520
and there's a uh mountain pass called

1332
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,599
the the uh

1333
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,040
called the monsieur

1334
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,839
he said he named the group after that

1335
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:08,799
i

1336
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,319
um

1337
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,000
so he admitted that he named the group

1338
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,480
could you say that again he admitted

1339
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,040
that he had named the group in other

1340
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:25,440
words there was no ancient group

1341
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,520
admitted anything no i think that uh

1342
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,040
yeah i think that the things get

1343
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:35,200
dug up and uh brought to the surface by

1344
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,119
other people yeah right right absolutely

1345
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,839
yeah so he never really fessed up to

1346
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,520
anything

1347
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:46,559
he he went to his grave with his stories

1348
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,559
i guess i think so but he started out as

1349
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,079
uh

1350
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:54,720
anti-masonic and anti-semitic and later

1351
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:57,599
on he said that his group contained

1352
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,079
contained jews a confusing thought there

1353
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,280
yeah wasn't he part of the vichy

1354
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,440
uh

1355
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,359
political

1356
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,359
movement

1357
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,040
there in france i mean

1358
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:15,280
i i remember that he was connected with

1359
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,430
before the extreme

1360
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,760
the involved with the

1361
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:28,000
right-wing organizations

1362
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:29,440
and one of the tricks of those

1363
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,799
organizations were to produce documents

1364
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,799
that seemed to be okay

1365
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:37,599
uh but by people who had died shortly

1366
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,480
before and couldn't confirm them and

1367
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,040
plantar kept up with that for decades

1368
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:46,079
after the right wing saw that it wasn't

1369
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,440
really a

1370
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,280
a way to move forward that people were

1371
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,200
on to their trick but plant never

1372
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,960
realized he couldn't get away with it he

1373
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,119
did that perhaps six or eight times

1374
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,440
maybe more

1375
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,760
wow that's interesting

1376
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,799
you know we're gonna have to take

1377
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,280
another break and then we will be coming

1378
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,280
into our final half hour with our guest

1379
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,400
tonight john saul author and geologist

1380
00:57:12,820 --> 00:57:10,720
american living in paris

1381
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:12,830
hang on and we'll be right back

1382
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:15,520
[Music]

1383
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,880
if you're listening to night vision

1384
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,280
radio i'm renee barnett your host with

1385
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:22,880
me tonight is geologist and author john

1386
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,160
saul he's joining us from paris tonight

1387
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,240
or this morning for him

1388
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,040
and we sure appreciate that i want to

1389
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,000
refer you to john's website it is tome

1390
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,880
book two t-o-m-e

1391
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,480
book two

1392
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,680
dot com and that's the number two uh

1393
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:44,400
look at his books on there now john i

1394
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,520
took up so much time with ronald chateau

1395
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,920
we didn't really get into

1396
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,599
into your other books

1397
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,720
um

1398
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:54,960
but also and now i know that you've got

1399
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,400
the manuscript done i believe for uh for

1400
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,559
your new book does have you titled it

1401
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,480
yet

1402
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:04,160
uh

1403
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,559
i called it a an extra player on the

1404
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,559
playing field of history

1405
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,160
i think that what

1406
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,680
we're talking about the same thing you

1407
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,440
refer to the bloodline

1408
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:17,760
yes but i think that we have people

1409
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,720
popping up now and then and maybe every

1410
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:23,119
generation is for all i know

1411
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,319
who uh

1412
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,400
believe in the bloodline

1413
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,559
and they don't all believe it's

1414
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:30,960
precisely the same bloodline i tried to

1415
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:34,480
identify the one that plantar uh was

1416
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,880
tuned into and uh i think uh

1417
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:40,240
uh

1418
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,920
conspiracies but i'm believe certainly a

1419
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,559
believer in small conspiracies

1420
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,160
and i think that there have been a

1421
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,960
series of uh small conspiracies about

1422
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,400
royalty and who has the rights to rule

1423
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,839
and uh

1424
00:59:04,789 --> 00:58:58,720
uh

1425
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,799
bloodline going all the way back or

1426
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:07,119
remember pierre montaura referred to the

1427
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:08,000
uh

1428
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,319
royalty from that tribe too

1429
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,640
and uh

1430
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,359
i think this has activated people all

1431
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,040
through the ages

1432
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:23,760
and once again it's the idea of as above

1433
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:26,799
so below that if you belong to the right

1434
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,400
bloodline or the chosen of heaven uh you

1435
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,599
have the right to rule

1436
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,440
that's a that's a big question

1437
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,640
in itself it's really quite odd uh if

1438
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,640
you look at the animal world you you

1439
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,400
might have a leader but you don't have

1440
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,680
somebody who

1441
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:46,720
rules as such uh

1442
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,280
very strange that uh somebody might have

1443
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,200
the right to rule over people who he's

1444
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,760
never even met

1445
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,839
you know it is and

1446
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,760
you know i have i have a lot of friends

1447
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,880
um from europe and and from the uk which

1448
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,799
is no longer part of the european union

1449
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,799
or won't be soon

1450
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,920
um

1451
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,000
and who've been you know

1452
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,440
much more used to the idea of royalty of

1453
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,400
of kings and queens and you know growing

1454
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:16,079
up in america

1455
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,280
uh

1456
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,520
we just you know we don't have that

1457
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,839
model here you know it's like pull

1458
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,480
yourself up by your own bootstraps and

1459
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,720
you know make it on your own and

1460
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,880
and that's the most admirable thing or

1461
01:00:34,270 --> 01:00:29,760
or

1462
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,280
so we don't have that idea of

1463
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,799
entitlement or you know

1464
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:39,760
sort of royalty and and below stairs

1465
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,789
and

1466
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,119
maybe for that reason

1467
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,040
i sort of you know always had an

1468
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:52,799
aversion to that idea that you know

1469
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,000
a person ruling over other people or

1470
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,720
being sort of somehow better than other

1471
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,079
people

1472
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,680
but could

1473
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,119
could there really be something

1474
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,720
different

1475
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,359
about these bloodlines and when you talk

1476
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:09,760
about origins are you talking about

1477
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:13,920
origins uh of us as as humans about the

1478
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,599
origins of mankind um

1479
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,359
no i think uh

1480
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:21,920
first of all uh i think that's a very

1481
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:25,359
valid uh subject for research

1482
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,160
uh

1483
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,640
and i'm working on yet another book on

1484
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,599
that

1485
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,280
but uh

1486
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:33,839
no i'm talking about the origins of uh

1487
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,520
civilization maybe with a capital c

1488
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,160
which i think starts out a high culture

1489
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,520
high civilization in mesopotamia that's

1490
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,680
directed by by a king

1491
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,000
now uh that's one of the things that

1492
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,760
george washington definitely wanted to

1493
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:51,200
get away from

1494
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:54,559
he he refused to uh

1495
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,079
to be a candidate for a third term

1496
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,680
i read somewhere

1497
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,520
i'm not sure that

1498
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:03,760
it's necessarily true but the idea is

1499
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,319
interesting in any case

1500
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,280
somebody wrote that the

1501
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,400
the family history the genealogy that

1502
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,559
has been most researched in the whole

1503
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,680
world

1504
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:18,000
was that of george washington

1505
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:21,039
because the brits wanted to say

1506
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,160
well of course uh

1507
01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:27,039
what a matchup and what a t mike metro

1508
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,160
pcs in the iphone sc for zero dollars on

1509
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,400
a network that covers 99 of people in

1510
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,520
the us oh impressive

1511
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,839
play with the best switch to metro pcs

1512
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:39,760
in an unlimited lte plan and get a 32

1513
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,960
gig iphone sc for zero dollars metro pcs

1514
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:44,160
coverage not available in some areas

1515
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,599
plus sales tax claim based on talking

1516
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,880
text not valid for active numbers

1517
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,000
currently on the t-mobile network are

1518
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,839
active on metropcs in the past 90 days

1519
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,960
see store for details in terms of

1520
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:52,640
conditions

1521
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,039
uh you've still got the king he's the

1522
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,359
14th cousin of

1523
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,200
of the present king or something along

1524
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,359
those lines and you really haven't

1525
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,680
broken away from us but uh

1526
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,920
we did break away from that from the uh

1527
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,079
from the british royal line uh we

1528
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,880
definitely did and george washington was

1529
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:12,960
not royalty and that's just the way he

1530
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:16,319
wanted it to be

1531
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,520
yeah and

1532
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,760
i think that i mean i think that is sort

1533
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,200
of admirable when

1534
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,079
you know he probably had the opportunity

1535
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,760
to uh

1536
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:27,359
lord it over people

1537
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:28,640
a little bit more

1538
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,920
if he hadn't believed that way but also

1539
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,839
then he would have been subject to the

1540
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:35,119
king so

1541
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,400
there you go

1542
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,720
uh it behooved him to think that way i

1543
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,079
guess

1544
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:41,440
but it's a

1545
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:44,799
good idea what's all about yep that's

1546
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,880
right that's absolutely right but that

1547
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,960
idea of entitlement you know i think you

1548
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,960
know we uh

1549
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:53,039
or at least i have sort of a knee-jerk

1550
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,160
reaction

1551
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,319
you know to that whole idea

1552
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,039
and um i mean it kind of smacks of you

1553
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,440
know what the nazis were doing you know

1554
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,960
um

1555
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:05,119
lording it over other races you know or

1556
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,480
uh

1557
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,400
other races being inferior that sort of

1558
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:10,079
thing i've always had a little bit of a

1559
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:11,680
problem with that that kind of thinking

1560
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:12,799
too

1561
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,680
so

1562
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,760
but could it be

1563
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,000
that there is something different

1564
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,079
uh about

1565
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,839
this bloodline or

1566
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,480
or or any of the bloodlines that might

1567
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,480
be referred to in different cultures or

1568
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:28,480
different times but let's say this

1569
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,920
bloodline of jesus in mary magdalene

1570
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,839
is it possible that there's something

1571
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,480
about their dna that's

1572
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:38,720
special or

1573
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,119
what would be the deciding factor how

1574
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,440
would people know you know that you're

1575
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:45,680
the special one

1576
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,400
well i think that's a that's a very

1577
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,920
interesting thing but instead of

1578
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:51,920
speaking about jesus

1579
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,799
mary magdalene or others in the other

1580
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,960
kings in the new testament times and old

1581
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:58,960
testament times

1582
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:02,000
let's go back to uh

1583
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:05,599
the origin of kingship and on these clay

1584
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,599
tablets that were inscribed that have

1585
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,839
been found in mesopotamia

1586
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,520
there's a reference

1587
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:12,960
and it says

1588
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,640
when kingship was lowered from heaven

1589
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,160
and

1590
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:20,640
it's never clarified

1591
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,000
they don't clarify what that means so i

1592
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,839
think that your

1593
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:27,520
question

1594
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,520
has maybe five percent of an answer

1595
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:32,720
uh

1596
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,559
it was lowered from heaven and then

1597
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:38,799
it may be unfortunately there's a war

1598
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:41,280
going on in that part of the world now

1599
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,720
uh it may be that more tablets will be

1600
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,400
found and translated maybe they're

1601
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,799
already untranslated in

1602
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:51,440
in the archives of the british museum or

1603
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,960
the louvre here

1604
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,200
and they'll throw a bit of light on it

1605
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,480
now i don't think this it was a secret

1606
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:00,720
i think this was one of those things

1607
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,760
that was so well known i think everybody

1608
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,760
knew it in those days because it was the

1609
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:08,079
foundation of civilization

1610
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,440
and government

1611
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:12,640
everybody knew what the king was and how

1612
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:15,039
he became royal well he was lowered from

1613
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:16,079
heaven

1614
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:17,280
and

1615
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,119
it's just one of those things like we're

1616
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,200
speaking prose and we're breathing air

1617
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:24,160
but nobody ever gets around to saying it

1618
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:25,440
um

1619
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:26,160
but

1620
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:30,880
get anywhere near an answer to your

1621
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:33,680
question is to get more translations of

1622
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,880
these cuneiform tablets from various

1623
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,200
ancient languages

1624
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:42,880
well true absolutely absolutely true

1625
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:45,839
do you have any opinion at all um

1626
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,920
speaking of cuneiform tablets uh of um

1627
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,119
the

1628
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,640
idea about you know people visiting you

1629
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,039
know ancient aliens ancient astronauts

1630
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,520
coming to earth and

1631
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,640
and intermingling with what were human

1632
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,640
women at that time

1633
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,520
do you have any opinion about

1634
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:09,839
some of those ideas that have come from

1635
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:12,720
some of those translations and you know

1636
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,000
some of those translations could

1637
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,599
probably be read in a different way as

1638
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,359
well

1639
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,270
i'm fundamentally against that line of

1640
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,079
thinking uh first of all

1641
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:28,319
the

1642
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:33,119
you receive

1643
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,640
comes from people and sources that

1644
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:39,039
really they've made it up or

1645
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,319
they've

1646
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:42,400
misconstrued something there's no

1647
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:45,039
information uh that indicates uh that

1648
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,400
there were ancient astronauts uh

1649
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,280
uh there's lots of mistranslations and a

1650
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:54,319
lot of bad faith also no i don't accept

1651
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:57,520
that at all uh i was going to say one

1652
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,319
more thing yes the nature of kingship i

1653
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,960
had an idea there's i've got no source

1654
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:05,119
for this whatever absolutely no source

1655
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,240
whatever

1656
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,680
but uh

1657
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:10,319
my idea was just looking at people

1658
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,079
coming from the middle east

1659
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,799
i wonder if the original king the very

1660
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,719
first king is supposed to be lowered

1661
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,000
from heaven

1662
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,560
wasn't the blonde or redhead

1663
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,120
that suddenly arrived either genetically

1664
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:25,679
or just the traveler amongst all these

1665
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,960
people the iranians the arabs the jews

1666
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,759
who

1667
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:31,279
in the middle east

1668
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,040
not anymore these days because there's

1669
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,120
too much mixture but

1670
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,799
have dark hair

1671
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:39,199
and i wondered if the king might not

1672
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,239
have been

1673
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:42,159
a blonde coming from the north or

1674
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,920
redhead with the genetic uh

1675
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,040
arrangement

1676
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,040
from his parents somehow

1677
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:51,759
and i rather like that idea because

1678
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:54,159
the red hair can be read as blood

1679
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:54,960
and

1680
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,759
the blonde can be as uh

1681
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,679
as bright as the sun or something along

1682
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,279
those lines

1683
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,960
that's me speaking that's not somebody

1684
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,560
else

1685
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,920
that's an interesting that's an

1686
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,159
interesting way to look at it you know

1687
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,520
we hear so much about the red-haired

1688
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:12,480
kings um you know before we get to the

1689
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,679
end of the show i want to talk a little

1690
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,000
bit about your uh other books that are

1691
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,319
on your website the tale told in all

1692
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,239
lands and i have a feeling some of this

1693
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,080
uh that we're talking about

1694
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,120
is probably connected i know um

1695
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:27,199
you know i haven't had a chance to to

1696
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,719
get this book yet

1697
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,239
but um

1698
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:32,319
you talked about uh

1699
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:33,759
how we're still connected to our

1700
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:37,279
ancestors through dna of course

1701
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,080
uh

1702
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,960
it's not the dna i emphasize it's the

1703
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:43,679
the cultural thing this whole

1704
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:45,679
i mean believing in kings or the

1705
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,040
sacredness of kings is not dna

1706
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,799
and

1707
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,480
the bloodline

1708
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,360
is necessarily dna but we know that

1709
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,600
these beliefs exist but we don't know if

1710
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,480
the bloodline exists

1711
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,320
you make a very good case for that a lot

1712
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:03,840
of other people have made a good case

1713
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,320
for this uh bloodline uh

1714
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:07,520
uh

1715
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,000
magdalene

1716
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,560
uh it may not be true

1717
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,360
but uh how about the next generations

1718
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,440
are there any survivors uh coming down

1719
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:23,520
the line or

1720
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:26,800
after all uh they say half of europe is

1721
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,920
descended from uh related to charlemagne

1722
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,920
and this is even going back further i

1723
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,640
think that it'd make an awful lot of us

1724
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,320
carrying the blood of

1725
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,199
of jesus if the story was true

1726
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:41,760
well you know as a matter of fact when i

1727
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,760
was doing my film called bloodline

1728
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,239
we interviewed a mathematician

1729
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:50,400
statistician i can't remember i want to

1730
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:54,159
say he was from mit i'm not sure

1731
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:56,960
and he had written a book

1732
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:01,440
about that it included an entry about if

1733
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,640
there was indeed a uh bloodline of jesus

1734
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:06,159
and mary magdalene

1735
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,000
who would be in it today and his answer

1736
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,760
he figured out statistically would be

1737
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:13,440
almost everyone

1738
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:14,719
yes so

1739
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:18,480
now who's the who's the king you know

1740
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:23,990
i would imagine there'd be people that

1741
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,040
were more uh directly

1742
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,679
in the bloodline than others

1743
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,080
or so maybe they contain whoever

1744
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:35,040
contains the most royal dna maybe maybe

1745
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,910
i that that corresponds to my thinking

1746
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,000
incidentally i went to mit too but i'm

1747
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,000
not your saucer on that one

1748
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:48,159
no you're not my source on that one and

1749
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,480
maybe i just uh psychically picked up on

1750
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,840
that from you

1751
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,520
it seems like that's where he was from

1752
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,960
i'm going to have to look up that source

1753
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,800
though i can't and i i

1754
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,560
apologize to that gentleman because they

1755
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,640
can't remember his name at the moment

1756
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,760
that's been

1757
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:03,440
probably a dozen years ago when we

1758
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,199
interviewed him but um also your book

1759
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,840
your other book online as a geologist

1760
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,719
speculates on gemstones origins of gas

1761
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:13,679
and oil

1762
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:16,640
moonlike impact scars on the earth the

1763
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:20,640
emergence of animals and cancer

1764
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:24,320
yes what a laundry list there of of

1765
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,520
disparate

1766
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,840
things

1767
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:30,080
it isn't such a laundry list

1768
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:31,120
uh

1769
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,440
i didn't mean that in a derogatory way

1770
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:37,199
but it just seemed like a

1771
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,080
uh

1772
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,040
disparate sort of animals gemstones and

1773
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:44,080
cancer you know sort of different things

1774
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,600
and um

1775
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,679
it's interesting how you uh are

1776
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,360
addressing the emergence of all these

1777
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:51,679
things

1778
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,199
coming on the earth but but go ahead i

1779
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,880
didn't mean to interrupt you

1780
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,600
yeah the uh the key thing to know and

1781
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,120
you learn it uh

1782
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:00,880
more or less in your first course in

1783
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:03,280
geology but not everybody has had a

1784
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,000
first course in geology is he gets

1785
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:08,800
through 80 percent of the history of the

1786
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:09,840
earth

1787
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,120
uh before you get complex animals for

1788
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,760
the first 80 percent things are either

1789
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:18,960
single celled or they're colonial uh

1790
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,920
creatures uh just masses like algae and

1791
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:22,960
uh

1792
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,080
the sort of stuff you might find on this

1793
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:28,960
seashore but the uh

1794
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,960
the animals that creep and call to pure

1795
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,560
darwinism now

1796
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,440
and into larger creatures including uh

1797
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:39,040
including humans

1798
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,840
uh

1799
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,920
their ancestors can only be traced back

1800
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,080
for the last 20 percent of uh it's

1801
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:46,320
called the cambrian explosion when

1802
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,440
suddenly all

1803
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:49,199
types of life

1804
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:50,400
came about

1805
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,440
now these types of life complicated ones

1806
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,120
are made of tissues or tissues and

1807
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,440
organs and when you think about it you

1808
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,520
can't get cancer

1809
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:01,760
if you're a single cell creature

1810
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,400
you've got to be complex it's a

1811
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,320
cancer is a disease of tissues and

1812
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,719
organs and things that break down

1813
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:09,679
so

1814
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,390
into cancer quite easily from the

1815
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,000
origins of

1816
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:19,760
complex animals

1817
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,840
and it just so happens

1818
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:24,480
that the origins of complex animals they

1819
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,280
just show up in the geological uh record

1820
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,920
as fossils at the same time that certain

1821
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,520
gemstones do

1822
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,800
so it's the the events that caused the

1823
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:37,840
first gemstones to be crystallized and

1824
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,640
the first complex animals to appear

1825
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:42,800
are linked linkedin time and i try to

1826
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,159
show how they're linked in logic also

1827
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,320
wow so it's not a really a disparate

1828
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,560
list is it it's that they're

1829
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,080
they're actually there is a connection

1830
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,679
there between all those things even

1831
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,199
though it didn't sound like it from

1832
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,719
first glance

1833
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,000
now

1834
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,840
on the back of the book to make it sell

1835
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,760
uh and then you say how can they be

1836
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,280
related to one another but of course

1837
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,800
they are

1838
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,159
yeah

1839
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,120
now when you talk about the origin of

1840
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:11,040
of complex animals

1841
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,159
um

1842
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:14,400
and organisms on the earth

1843
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:15,280
uh

1844
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,120
do you address the idea of panspermia at

1845
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,800
all

1846
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,800
no no i don't think

1847
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,520
i think that's

1848
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,840
it's not pseudoscience i mean it's a

1849
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,000
it's a reasonable idea

1850
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,960
uh but i think at this stage it's

1851
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,320
unprovable

1852
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:35,520
and

1853
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,239
i don't think a scientist who works on

1854
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,480
that at this stage

1855
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,360
is really advancing science very much uh

1856
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:45,280
it's just too early i think we'll need

1857
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,400
another

1858
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:48,719
one two three fifteen generations of

1859
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,400
scientists before we can uh get to that

1860
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,360
make sense of that panspermia idea

1861
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,880
it could be very valid it could

1862
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:58,880
certainly be valid

1863
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,520
in in your book

1864
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,800
what do you

1865
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,960
do you have an idea of

1866
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,560
of how that happened during that

1867
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:09,679
cambrian explosion what about that

1868
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,159
do you think yes

1869
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,520
yes i think

1870
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,000
i i get into

1871
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,640
some very simple chemistry

1872
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:20,159
to

1873
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,600
molecules it's the the molecules of the

1874
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,280
collagen family

1875
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:29,520
and

1876
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,320
i think it's the manufacture of collagen

1877
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,640
that causes cells to get stuck to one

1878
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:36,719
another after all collagens and stuff

1879
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:38,800
they used to make glue out of

1880
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,470
i think

1881
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,320
these single-celled creatures got stuck

1882
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,480
to one another and then they

1883
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,640
had to make do with that situation i

1884
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,719
think that's where we come from with a

1885
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,080
lot more details to that of course wow

1886
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,600
and what about the

1887
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,320
you know human intelligence

1888
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,040
that came once once uh human beings came

1889
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,640
into existence

1890
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:06,480
oh that's a that's

1891
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:12,470
well if you go that's that's that

1892
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:15,600
question that they uh

1893
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:16,560
the

1894
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,080
very closely related to it and uh

1895
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,719
it generated so much heat in the french

1896
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:27,199
scientific society that

1897
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:28,080
the

1898
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,400
were not no longer allowed to discuss it

1899
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,239
but uh there are there definitely

1900
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,480
there's definitely an answer there

1901
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,239
but uh

1902
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,000
which

1903
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,960
right

1904
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,480
what was the first conversation the

1905
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,159
first two people who ever spoke to each

1906
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,640
other what were they talking about

1907
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:52,000
exactly

1908
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,800
uh

1909
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,560
probably food

1910
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,320
no no i think it was death what are we

1911
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:59,040
gonna do about this oh yeah

1912
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,719
how are we going to avoid it

1913
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:02,239
because an awful lot of animals get

1914
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:08,470
oh my goodness

1915
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:09,360
yes

1916
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:12,320
don't have to talk

1917
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,199
yeah

1918
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,400
now uh oh i wanted to ask you uh you

1919
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,239
know back to the original subject of

1920
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,159
friendly chateau now

1921
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,239
when was the last time

1922
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,120
you spent time down there

1923
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,440
oh i haven't been down there for

1924
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,239
15 years maybe even 15 years let's say

1925
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:32,239
now uh

1926
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:35,679
i think the most

1927
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:38,960
by itself i sent you an email on this

1928
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,360
i'm at the point where i've stopped

1929
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,600
checking various things in the field i'd

1930
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,960
like to go down there and look at the

1931
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:47,199
bookshops again i'll tell you that

1932
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:49,040
well i hope you i hope you can make it

1933
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,840
down in may that would be fabulous i

1934
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,000
know sandy would love to see you as i

1935
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,679
would there probably be lots of people

1936
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,440
there

1937
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,960
that would like to hear what you have to

1938
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,920
say

1939
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,000
so we'll see if we can spear you and

1940
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,239
muriel down there

1941
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,239
that's that's a tempting idea i don't

1942
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,880
know if we can make it uh

1943
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,480
aside from everything else we juggle

1944
01:19:13,030 --> 01:19:11,679
grandchildren

1945
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:13,040
but uh

1946
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,960
that's a very tempting idea i think

1947
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,560
anyone who gets a

1948
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,239
anyone who thinks about it should really

1949
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,480
get down there at least once

1950
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:22,640
oh absolutely and then i always warn

1951
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,640
everybody once you go

1952
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:26,719
you're going to come back

1953
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,600
nobody goes there just one time

1954
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,040
i don't know how many times i've been

1955
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:33,520
there but a large number of times yes

1956
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,080
yeah yeah it does it does tend to draw

1957
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:38,320
you back that's in the door you're back

1958
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,960
but uh oh it's been so great uh you

1959
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,440
joining us tonight i i really appreciate

1960
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,840
it uh i know the hour is horrendous

1961
01:19:47,630 --> 01:19:46,800
there

1962
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,640
yeah

1963
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,400
555 here

1964
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,159
now i'm looking forward to your new book

1965
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,640
coming out and as i was saying to you uh

1966
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,199
i know your uh publisher

1967
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,480
is in paris and i would love to see your

1968
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,440
books be published in america so

1969
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:05,760
we're gonna be putting out the word on

1970
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,920
that so if anybody has any ideas let me

1971
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,320
know and um

1972
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:12,400
i would love to see that happen because

1973
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i think that you uh

1974
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have a whole audience over here that

1975
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,480
hasn't been widely exposed to your

1976
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material i know i hadn't and

1977
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i'm so happy that i

1978
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,000
ran across it well thanks to sandy

1979
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hamblet who

1980
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suggested that you come on my show and

1981
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i'm so happy that she did and i'm so

1982
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thrilled to have this little renla

1983
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chateau

1984
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a bibliography that you wrote because

1985
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i'm just gonna refer to it over and over

1986
01:20:46,510 --> 01:20:45,440
again i've already marked it up it looks

1987
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,520
pathetic already

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[Laughter]

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i didn't want to do that but then i

1990
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thought what the heck it's it's a i'm

1991
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going to work with this book this is not

1992
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,080
reference book that's right absolutely

1993
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and i think it's very necessary for

1994
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anybody

1995
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that's interested in this study i think

1996
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you're going to find some interesting

1997
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,560
things there that you haven't come

1998
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across before

1999
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but uh thanks to you and thanks to sandy

2000
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,400
both of you many thanks well you're

2001
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,960
certainly welcome and i know sandy uh

2002
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,120
has been in the chat room tonight

2003
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and uh i know she was so happy that you

2004
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,320
agreed to come on

2005
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so i'm really pleased about that but i

2006
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,440
want to uh mention one more time we're

2007
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:31,120
getting ready to close the show but

2008
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,239
mention one more time uh the big meet up

2009
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in reynolds chateau the first week of

2010
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may

2011
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uh we're

2012
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:41,760
asking all putting out the call to all

2013
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,639
run buffs researchers authors

2014
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,360
uh filmmakers whoever is interested in

2015
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the subject uh

2016
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we're inviting everybody to come over

2017
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around the first week of may and we're

2018
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,560
going to be having a few events lined up

2019
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some film screenings and hopefully some

2020
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,199
presentations if

2021
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:01,520
it looks like the response is going to

2022
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:04,480
be big i know every time i go there i'm

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01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,600
always flabbergasted that i always run

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01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:09,520
into someone i know

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from some other country or from america

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01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,520
that

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i did not realize was going to be there

2028
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:17,920
but i'll be walking through the garden

2029
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,040
um in renlychateau in the jardin de

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01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:23,520
marie restaurant and i'll hear someone

2031
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,719
yell out my name and i'll go oh my gosh

2032
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,199
i can't believe this and it's

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01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:31,120
usually happens with a lot of

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01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,520
synchronicity but i thought well what if

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01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,760
we purposely all tried to get there at

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01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,679
the same time and it would be a good

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01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,159
opportunity for us all to sit down and

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01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,639
exchange ideas and

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01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,320
a lot of us are researching one little

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01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,639
bit or one little part of the mystery

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01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:47,760
and

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no one has time to research the whole

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01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,520
thing

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because that would take your whole life

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01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,040
and more

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01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,440
so anyway hope you can make it and john

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01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:00,239
saul i really appreciate it apologies to

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01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:01,760
your lovely wife

2049
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,480
that we got you both up at such a crazy

2050
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,040
time but we sure appreciate it thanks so

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01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:09,679
much for joining us tonight okay thank

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you

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foreign

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oh

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what a matchup and what a t mic metro

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the us oh impressive

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play with the best switch to metro pcs

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and unlimited lte plan and get a 32 gig

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